On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 3:31 PM Kevin Kofler via devel <devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > The dependency on LLVM is not even the worst issue in my eyes. LLVM is also > used by other core projects, e.g., mesa, these days. > > The worst issue I see with Rust is the way libraries are "packaged", which > just implies installing source code and recompiling that source code for > every single application. (And as a result, the output obviously gets > statically linked into the application, with all the drawbacks of static > linking.) I consider a language with no usable shared library support to be > entirely unpackageable and hence entirely useless. Do you have suggestions for improving this situation? I think we're pretty close to doing the best we can with packaging Rust projects, given the current limitations of the language (i.e. the support for building "true shared Rust libraries" is still very limited and unstable; but that might improve in the future). Additionally, the way the Sequoia GPG backend for RPM is implemented, it's actually shipped as a standard shared library with a C ABI and accompanying C headers (which are binary compatible with the existing in-house GPG backend code in RPM). No Rust code will be statically linked into /usr/bin/rpm. > And then of course there is the issue that it is yet another language with > yet another syntax (and an only partially C-like one, so the learning curve > is unnecessarily high), yet another library ecosystem, etc. C has been the > de facto lingua franca all this time, now we are back into a tower-of-babel > scenario with tons of programming languages, which will necessarily bloat > the core system over time. I'm sorry to disappoint you, but Rust is here to stay, whether you like it or not. For example, it's been voted the "most loved" and "most wanted" language for a few years in a row in Stack Overflow's surveys: https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2022/#technology-most-loved-dreaded-and-wanted So, do you have any actionable / constructive criticism for how we do Rust packaging in Fedora, or did you just want to post that "I hate Rust because it's not C"? Fabio _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
