On Fri, Jul 15, 2005 at 02:38:34PM -0600, Stuart Jansen wrote: > Your influence is directly proportional to the value of your > contribution--and talk is cheap. Wrong. Read: http://www.fedora.redhat.com/about/leadership.html Red Hat has the ultimate influence. Red Hat pays the folks putting Fedora together. There is no "community thang". It's Red Hat plus a few hand-selected outside supporters. Especially look at the chapter "Voting". After all, things happen the way Red Hat wants it. There's nothing wrong about it, but please stop this "community" marketing then. And given recent dominant communication by some Red Hat folks and... uhm... close associates, Red Hat doesn't want to hear about what the user base wants... the user base should tell upstream. That's IMHO against the "we seek rough consensus"... at least if "we" does include more than Red Hat internal cube-to-cube talks and perhaps some limited discussion with outsiders in a read-only mailing list upon invitation (or whatever). My only chance is to discuss those fundamental problems in order to try moving things into a better (for the user at least) direction. I don't have the time nor knowledge nor energy for more. Linux & Fedora is for sure not my main hobby anymore, nor my profession. It is a tool with which I try to do my job and follow my hobbies. If this tool starts diverting from me needs too much, I try to communicate this to the vendor of the tool. They can either accept this constructive criticism (remember: constructiveness is NOT defined by attached patch, but by having a possible solution path provided, at least describing in detail what's wrong) and try to do something about it, or they can say "we don't care, go away". If the distro vendor cares about the users, he won't say the latter. Regards, Daniel -- CLUE-RIPE -- Jabber: dr@xxxxxxxxxx -- dr@IRCnet -- PGP: 0xA85C8AA0 -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
