On 7/14/05, Dimi Paun <dimi@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Of course, you can argue till the cows come home that this is fedora, > and 'take this to other lists', but that is just a way to shut people > up. You can argue like that about *anything*, what is then the point of > this list? I think you grossly misinterpret my goal. My goal is to get the people with gripes hooked into the correct location to talk to the correct group of people so those complaints have a chance to be turned into constructive action. Idle complaints about gnome usability changes in the fedora lists serve no constructive purpose. People who want to see better usability testing, and can volunteer their personal resources into that effort, need to get in touch with the gnome usability group and affect change upstream. You aren't going to impact gnome's usability practices by jabbering about it here. All you are going to accomplish is to fan the flames of frustration. Discussion that has no hope of leading to action is unconstructive. > > Folks, most of the issues that people bring up are *valid* customer > complaints. If you continue to labor under the constraining definitions of a traditional model where a "customer" "buys" a "product", you will continue to be frustrated by the "contributor" process by which everyone working on this "project" needs to be familiar with. Gnome has a usibility group, everyone interested in sound and more frequent usability testing for gnome applications should interface with that group specifically. Extended debate, in this list, about the technical merits of one methodology versus another, serves no constructive purpose. Even if concensous on what needs to be done is reached on this list (highly unlikely) the conclusions drawn count for very little.. becuase the people with whom the discussion needs to happen are the gnome usability team, a group of people who meet and discuss as a group in a different location. My personal feelings on the matter are that people who refuse to move discussion to the most effective upstream forum, are delibrately attempting to cause problems or are only interested in browbeating other people with their opinions in an effort to score debating experience points. Once an issue or complaint is brought it... the quicker it can be moved to the appropriate upstream forum or group the less frustrating it is for everyone. -jef"If i wanted to shut people up, id choke off this thread by writing 20 page responses to this list so people who just start ignoring the thread completely"spaleta -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
