On Wed, 25 May 2022 at 09:34, Jiri Vanek <jvanek@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On 5/25/22 15:19, Stephen Smoogen wrote:
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> On Wed, 25 May 2022 at 09:04, Jiri Vanek <jvanek@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:jvanek@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
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> On 5/24/22 21:41, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote:
> > On 24/05/2022 21:00, Jiri Vanek wrote:
> >> I repeat what was told several times.We really do no t like this change, especially in its full sound of one static build repacked to all ive fedoras, but we have nto found a better way.
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> > 1. Stop doing TCK certification. Most Fedora OpenJDK users don't need certified binaries.
> We can not ship uncerified JDK. Sooner or later a swarm of lawyers would appear.
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> So could it be shipped instead as a icedtea?
When we were shipping icedtea6 and later icedtea7, it still required TCK, so iced tea is not an option.
I added bot Andrews to cc, as they remains masters of IcedTea even now, when it is agesd dead (maybe technically beyond resurrection)
IIRC, icedtea is set of patches on top of openjdk. So it remains Opendk. So it reqwuires TCK. Pelase anybody if yo really know, correct me. I'm also not lawyer.
Thanx a lot for writting this down
By icedtea I was assuming a cleanout of trademarks like Firefox and Mozilla is done in Debian. This was not how the previous icedtea was done but it may be what needs to be reviewed. It does require a legal review and that would be something for this team to ask the Board and internal Red Hat to do.
If the licenses for how the coffee-themed language requires a TCK no matter what, then I would say that JDK is not open/free in a way that is easily distributable and that would be another thing Fedora board needs to deal with. In either case it is not you or your team's fault here... and people saying so need to back off.
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> The reason I am asking is that I think we need to look seriously at the alternatives and see how much work the community is going to need to do.
> 1. Fedora no longer ships a trademarked 'coffee-themed language'. Instead it adds an external repository where your team is able to focus on what they can deliver.
> 2. Fedora no longer ships a trademarked 'coffee-themed language'. Instead, a volunteer driven SIG puts in an icedtea back into into Fedora instead.
> 3. Fedora no longer ships a trademarked 'coffee-themed language'. Instead people wanting it will need to find an external place which builds it.
> 4. Fedora ships a trademarked 'coffee-themed language' that is static. However this doesn't decrease the workload enough and we need to move to 1-3 in 2 to 3 years.
If we exclude Red hat from Openjdk and it will remain purely on community, and if they will be good enogh to really maintian JDKs fo fedora, I cant predict impact of Law, when ..someone .. finds it is driven by anonymous without signed
agreement and without TCK. I realy do not know.
Thanx!!!
J.
Stephen Smoogen, Red Hat Automotive
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