On Mon, 2022-05-02 at 19:33 +0200, Clemens Lang wrote: > This is the reason why the proposal contains extensive methods to test > whether things are going to break by modifying the crypto-policy or using > bpftrace. Unfortunately there are hundreds of packages that depend on > cryptographic libraries, and millions of different configurations out there. > We can’t know ahead of time which ones of them are going to break, but the > proposal provides tools and a long transition period to identify and fix > them. When changes like this broke things for users in the past, we talked about a way to present the "insufficient crypto/digest/protocol" as just another failure like server certificate validation failures, so the application/user can *choose* to accept and proceed, in real time. I'd like to see that as a *condition* of acceptance of further restrictions in the policy. I really don't want us continuing to break things for Fedora users and driving them back to the proprietary VPN clients. I am pleased to see some progress on this front with https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/GnutlsAllowlisting but it isn't clear to me that this gives us what we need. We *want* to warn users that their VPN server doesn't meet modern crypto standards. We don't want to just blindly re-enable ancient crap and have it silently work. But we also do *need* it to work, after we've warned the user about it. Which is why handling it like a certificate validation failure seems to be the right answer, but I'm happy to explore other solutions... but preferably *not* solutions like "manually set GNUTLS_SYSTEM_PRIORTY_FILE=/dev/null in your Fedora package to explicitly override all the Fedora crypto policies". That suggestion made me sad... :)
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