Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski <dominik@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes: > On Wednesday, 06 April 2022 at 13:07, Richard Hughes wrote: >> Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski <dominik@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >>>> and on its way out. As it ages, maintainability has decreased, and >>>> the status quo of maintaining both stacks in perpetuity is not viable >>>> for those currently doing that work. >>> >>> Have you tried getting more people involved? >> >> I don't think that's how Open Source works. Realistically the way I >> see this playing out is that the people responsible for maintaining >> the legacy boot stack will retire the packages, > > I thought they would be orphaned, if anything. Retiring seems rather > hostile to the people who still need those packages Assume good intent, please :) I believe Richard's comment is about a hypothetical future, not what's written in the change propsal in front of us. I also don't think Richard's point in any way hinges on the distinction between orphaning and retiring. > (which are those, by the way?). > > It's helpful to show the change proponents attitude. As a way of > "asking more people to get involved", I'd expect a list of packages > the change proponents no longer whish to maintain and a date when they > will orphan them, since they've stated they're going to do that > anyway. Without such list it's difficult to assess the scope of the > work required to maintain the affected software stack. I don't see any > such details in the change proposal. There's no list there because I don't believe that's a helpful way to view the problem. For instance, grub2 supports both legacy and UEFI paths - so one can't cleanly say "this package supports one, this package supports the other" like when trimming a dependency chain. (This is especially true when thinking about bootloaders, which tend toward being small operating systems unto themselves.) It's more realistic to consider use cases: legacy is a separate system bringup path. The work is the entire path, not a package. (Lest I be accused of dodging the question: for me, the relevant packages are parts of grub2 and all of syslinux.) Be well, --Robbie
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