On Di, 22.02.22 10:32, Chris Murphy (lists@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) wrote: > > Normally, unlikely client software, server software should really > > watch rtnl or so and follow local network configuration to make its > > services available, and thus it doesn't have to wait for the online > > sync point... > > OK so PackageKit, dnf, and nfs-utils. > > In a default clean install, nfs-convert.service is enabled, but vendor > preset is disabled. I do not know why. When I use "systemctl > preset-all" it's not enabled. And I'm not finding any candidates in > /etc for a local change. We probably should have some form of release criterium that mandates that on a default install (i.e. one where /etc/fstab has not been added to include SMB/NFS mounts of so) it is not acceptable that NM-w-o.s/network-online.target is pulled into the initial transaction while being transitively ordered before multi-user.target or graphical.target. Because that's the issue as Zbigniew mentioned: not so much that network-online.target is pulled in, but that it is pulled in *and* something that actually delays the boot — i.e. that delays multiuser.target or graphical.target being reached — is ordered after it. Because that means multi-user.target/graphical.target cannot be reached without the network-online.target also being reached. By that standard dnf's use of network-online.target is not an issue, as while dnf-makecache.service is ordered after it transitively, that service is not ordered before multi-user.target/graphical.target, and hence does *not* transitively delay m-u.t/g.t to be reached. (And while we are at it, anything that pulls in and puts systemd-udev-settle.service should similarly be prohibited). Lennart -- Lennart Poettering, Berlin _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
