On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 11:53:49PM +0300, Otto Urpelainen wrote: > Iago Rubio kirjoitti 18.8.2021 klo 14.32: > > Hi all, > > > > Following my messages on the "The Death of Java Packages" thread on > > this list(1), Ankur Shina suggested to me to give a go at being a > > package maintainer and let the mailing list know how it goes. > > > > I hope this to be a constructive and helful way to help get more people > > onboard. > > Thank you for taking the time to report you experiences! Long time Fedora > contributors have already learned all the common pitfalls and learned to > avoid them, so it is really useful to get the newcomers perspective, > especially when it is written as clearly as you do here. Please keep > posting. Agreed. :) Good to get feedback... > > I pointed my browser to the orphaned packages that need new > > maintainers(3) page, as it seems the most appropriate for the task, and > > it gave me some guidelines and a link to the "Lists of Orphan and > > Retired Packages"(4) where I found a 500 response. > > > > I have informed the webmaster at fedoraproject.org email address of the > > issue. > > Reporting this kind of issues is certainly the right thing to do. There are > many issues, large and small, in Fedora tooling. Filing issues is the first > step to get things fixed. > > I am not sure if you got or will get a response to your email. In this case, Yeah, so webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx goes to the websites mailing list. However, I don't see your post there. Did you get a bounce or rejection email? > the problem seems to be in Pagure engine that powers src.fedoraproject.org, > so I filed a bug there [1]. > > [1]: https://pagure.io/pagure/issue/5209 Yeah, the problem is due to it trying to gather all of them over all releases and it just is too many to gather in a timely manner. > > Meanwhile I went for other preparation steps as I was asked to join > > some mailing lists, devel (already on it), package-announces, devel- > > announce, package-review, packaging. At the lists suscription page (5) > > I was asked to log in, tried with fedora account, but that did not > > worked, so I guess the hyperkitty account is not linked to the fedora > > account system. > > , > > AnywayI put my email address in the suscribe form and joined the > > mailing lists. > > At least for me, the login screen at lists.fedoraproject.org has a button > (the first and largest one) saying "Fedora", which does the right thing. > > I am not sure what is the use of the other options, including creating a > separate account for that service only. Maybe it is just that some component > that was used to make Fedora login possible gave those others for free. We should remove the login/password there. It was only added for persona users who couldn't login via persona after mozilla retired it. > Anyhow, as you just discovered, lists.fedoraproject.org can be very well > used without ever logging in. Actually, I did it for the first time while > writing this post. > > > Then I went to the package review status page (7) to get a look at the > > review proccess and I found a bit shocking the first package from > > review seems to be lurking around since 2015 and the guy still did not > > found an sponsor. May be I did not understood what was going, but that > > alone would be enought to demotivate many folk around. If you think > > it's going to be 6 years to get sponsored and submit a package, is > > somewhat easy to back down being a packager at Fedora. > > If you had looked there half a year ago, you would have seen one from 2008. > Unfortunately, reviews sometimes get stalled because either the reviewee or > reviewer drops the ball for whatever reason. There is automation to detect > and close these automatically, but if they are in a Bugzilla state that is > no picked up, they can stay there indefinitely. > > I have been going through those manually and closing them if they really are > dead. Some were even completed after years of silence. I have reached > November 2016 already. The 'giza' review request you mention still has some > activity going on, that is why it has not been closed. It is a sad story if > you read through the comments, not a typical package review issue at all, > all kinds of trouble just stacking on top of each other. Let us just hope > that the remaining issues get resolved. > > I have hard time believing that anybody would not get sponsored if they just > follow the instructions on doing the informal package reviews and then file > an issue at package-sponsors issue tracker [2], explaining what they have > done. > > What I have not been able to understand is why Fedora has two parallel > processes for getting sponsored, the FE-NEEDSPONSOR flag and the > package-sponsors issue tracker. I have a feeling that the former is just a > relic and Fedora would be better off by just instructing aspiring packager > group members to file a properly filled ticket in the latter. But I am not a > packager sponsor myself, so I do not really know how this appears from that > side. Yeah, that process could be revamped for sure. In theory sponsors go and look at the FE-NEEDSPONSOR blocker and sponsor folks from it as their time permits. The issue tracker is for people following the 'become a co-maintainer of existing package' flow. > [2]: https://pagure.io/packager-sponsors/issues > > > By the way not on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join nor at > > https://whatcanidoforfedora.org/ there exists a packager role. I guess > > this is on purpose, but it doesn't helps to recruit people. > > I am not really familiar with these pages, but at the former, packager seems > to be a sub role of "OS Developer" and the latter actually has it [3]. Not > sure why these two use different categorization, perhaps they are from > different periods or made by different people? > > [3]: https://whatcanidoforfedora.org/en/#packaging There is also: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fesco/Package_maintainer_responsibilities/ kevin
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