Re: The Death of Java (packages)

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On Sat, 2021-08-14 at 09:04 +0000, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> I think there's some idea to rescue here. I agree that adopting
> orphaned packages can be harder than it seems, but OTOH, it's a task
> that has big benefits for the community. In the past, the recommended
> way to become a packager, and the way that had the easiest process,
> was to add a new package. This made a lot of sense when the distro
> was
> smaller and there were always new things that could be reasonably
> added. Nowadays, we either have most upstream projects packaged, or
> they are very big and complex to package, or have many dependencies,
> or legal issues, or there just isn't that much need to have them
> packaged. And all other things being equal, I it's better to have one
> package maintained continuously, than a package maintained for some
> time and then dropped, and another package maintained. While we may
> have a constant of 1 package maintained, the second case disappoints
> users.
> 
> tl;dr: I think we should change the guidelines [1] to explicitly
> recommend opening a pull request for an orphaned package as one of
> the
> ways. Maybe even describe it first. And describe the steps that need
> to be done in detail, so that it's easy to unexperienced folks to
> follow.
> 

I can feel the pain of Stephen, as I went through something like that
some years ago, and was quite frustrating.

I was at that time main developer of a small project that was on every
distro, and I was a Fedora user.

I went ahead to build the rpm for fedora and got some tips about how to
improve the spec but I was never able to get an sponsor, and was told
the spec was not fit for Fedora.

In the meantime another user grabbed the spec and sources from
project's csv and submited it as his first package for review.

He got an sponsor right away and became the maintainer of the package,
without changing a line of what I had in csv.

It was really frustrating ... to the point I've never submited another
package for review.

A better - or more clear - way to become a package maintaner would
help.

Some of us would like to help, but can't find a clear way to do it.

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