> > > > Nice of y'all to allow yourself longer release cycles while denying it > > to fedora community developers. > > Not fair--see below. My dad used to say something about things not being fair.... > Seth, you've actually answered your own question. Based on what I have > seen inside of Red Hat, 6 months is a release cycle that matches well > the challenge of the problem with the nature and resources of the > present community. *boggle* Where are you getting this? > Even with the surprise 7 day delay, FC4 is great, as > was FC3 vs. the targets we all set. For fedora CORE maybe - but there is Fedora Extras and there's A LOT of infrastructure work to keep fedora from being completely manually managed. > I even think that your suggestion > of a one-time-for-now 9 month cycle could make sense. good. > But the stuff that's required to hit an 18 month target is just Night And Day > different. I wasn't recommending an 18 month target, I was saying that I thought lengthening the fc devel cycle would help us get some things done that we just haven't had the time to do. > It may look easy--copying and criticizing the decisions we > make is pretty easy stuff compared to sorting out the initial plan and > keeping enough of the contingencies viable that the release is relevant > by the time it sees daylight. I'm not saying that Red Hat is the only > one trying to make these guesses and trying to following them through to > their logical conclusion--there are companies and community efforts > alike that try this stuff every day. But I am saying that it's a > sufficiently difficult and resource-intensive task that it's Just Not > Fair to suggest that simple goal-setting will lead to simple goal > attainment. Running a marathon is hard, but running up up Mt. Everest > is a different ballgame, and pretending it's not is reckless. You're damn right. So I guess you can understand why I'm a bit pissed at being talked down to by you when I sat in a meeting 3 months ago about the fedora extras buildsystem process and I was the only one who volunteered to work on it. Why? B/c everyone else was too busy. Hell, I was too busy, too but I wanted it to happen and it appeared that was the only way it was GOING to happen. Someone else set the objectives and I met them. So get down off your high horse about "copying and criticizing". I don't when, exactly, I get to stop paying dues but I think it needs to be soon. -sv -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
