On Mon, 2021-01-11 at 12:09 -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > To rephrase their statements in my own words (and correct me if I get > them wrong): > Kevin is suggesting that he believes that maintainers should be the > sole arbiters of when a package is pushed, not that maintainers are > infallible. > Adam is saying that we have tried Kevin's approach previously and > found it to be less successful on the whole than what we are doing > right now. Not quite, no. What I'm saying is that Kevin suggests that if we just make the process require manual action at each step and remove things like autopush, maintainers will get it right (AIUI). I'm saying that IMHO the evidence suggests this is not true, for two reasons: i) As I recall, before we had autopush or enabled it by default, maintainers still did things wrong sometimes. ii) even with autopush, maintainers *can* be more careful, in three possible ways. They can disable autopush, or they can include the dependencies in the library update, or they can wait for the library update to go stable before pushing the dependent update even to testing. As I understand Kevin's argument, he's saying that some maintainers might not bother to do any of those three things, *but* if we disabled autopush, they *would* check that the updates their update depends on have gone stable before pushing it stable manually. I'm sceptical that that is the case. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA IRC: adamw | Twitter: adamw_ha https://www.happyassassin.net _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
