On Fri, 18 Dec 2020 at 17:03, clime <clime@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On Fri, 18 Dec 2020 at 16:23, James Szinger <jszinger@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > On Fri, 18 Dec 2020 00:51:49 +0100 > > clime <clime@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > > Well, the users here are still packagers here no? I thought the "User" > > > in the title means "end user" who shouldn't be affected by it. Maybe > > > Ben can clarify this. > > > > I am making a distinction between Fedora packagers who use the Fedora > > infrastructure to build RPMs for the Fedora repositories, and second > > and third party packagers who use their own infrastructure. External > > packagers count as ‘users’ for the purposes of change proposals, > > especially infrastructure changes such as this. Many change proposals > > have no effect for external packagers, or have the same effect as for > > the general user base. This proposal, however, seems potentially > > disruptive for external packagers, and I want to see those issues > > specifically addressed in the change proposal. > > > > I will advocate that external packagers are of strategic importance to > > the Fedora Project. The software they provide encourages the adoption > > of Fedora. They form a pool a potential Fedora packagers. They are > > the technical experts that support the local users. They are > > fundamental to the Fedora Mission: > > > > Fedora creates an innovative platform for hardware, clouds, and > > containers that enables software developers and community members > > to build tailored solutions for their users. > > > > Supporting external packagers drives the Four Foundations: Freedom, > > Friends, Features, and First. > > I agree the change proposal should address those issues. I have updated the change description (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Enable_Spec_File_Preprocessing) with the feedback I've been given in this thread. I have also expanded the "User experience" section so that it addresses the mentioned issues of having spec file templates (i.e. something which is not understood by rpmbuild) in dist-git instead of just plain spec files. Also some links to interesting past discussions about the dynamic changelog and release generation were added into the description (the problem actually has a very long history and was discussed many times). Hopefully, I didn't forget to mention something (will add it later if I did). Best regards! clime > > > > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > > devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > > List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
