On Fri, 18 Dec 2020 00:51:49 +0100 clime <clime@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Well, the users here are still packagers here no? I thought the "User" > in the title means "end user" who shouldn't be affected by it. Maybe > Ben can clarify this. I am making a distinction between Fedora packagers who use the Fedora infrastructure to build RPMs for the Fedora repositories, and second and third party packagers who use their own infrastructure. External packagers count as ‘users’ for the purposes of change proposals, especially infrastructure changes such as this. Many change proposals have no effect for external packagers, or have the same effect as for the general user base. This proposal, however, seems potentially disruptive for external packagers, and I want to see those issues specifically addressed in the change proposal. I will advocate that external packagers are of strategic importance to the Fedora Project. The software they provide encourages the adoption of Fedora. They form a pool a potential Fedora packagers. They are the technical experts that support the local users. They are fundamental to the Fedora Mission: Fedora creates an innovative platform for hardware, clouds, and containers that enables software developers and community members to build tailored solutions for their users. Supporting external packagers drives the Four Foundations: Freedom, Friends, Features, and First. Jim _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx