Re: The Future of the Java Stack (also regarding ELN and RHEL)

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Mikolaj Izdebski <mizdebsk@xxxxxxxxxx> writes:

> On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 3:46 PM Alexander Scheel <ascheel@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Joe,
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 8:52 AM Joe Orton <jorton@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > I'm writing as the Red Hat engineering manager responsible for Maven and
>> > Ant in RHEL, and on behalf of Mikolaj Izdebski and Marian Koncek from my
>> > team.  I want to give a broad response to some of the points here:
>> >
>> > 1.  The team has two missions in Fedora:
>> >
>> > a) We deliver, maintain and support Ant and Maven in Fedora. Our aim is
>> > to provide developers with the most popular Java build systems which are
>> > reviewed, tested, and updated through the release lifecycle.
>> >
>> > b) We design, develop and document tooling that enables anyone to
>> > package Java software with a simple, efficient and scalable process. We
>> > are also active members of Java SIG, collaborating on complex changes
>> > and guiding new contributors.
>> >
>> > 2.  We are committed to maintaining the Ant and Maven modules in
>> > Fedora.  We have always expected to make them available as default
>> > streams and in the buildroot so they can be available and consumed by
>> > non-modular packages, but we completely respect the decisions of FESCo
>> > to disallow default streams and of other contributors to adopt and
>> > maintain the non-modular packages.  We are not going to promise to
>> > commit time and resources to maintain the non-modular packages.
>>
>> As a reminder (as in my RHEL devel-list reply): there are no default
>> module streams in Fedora. There is also no Ursa Major/Prime, so were
>> they to exist, there would still be no way for non-modular packages to
>> use them.
>
> There are default module streams in Fedora 31.

Fedora 31 is most likely EOL in about two months.  I really hope you're
not targeting your future development against it.

Thanks,
--Robbie

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