On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 3:26 PM kevin <kevin@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 12:57:34PM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 12:54 PM Matthew Miller > > <mattdm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 11:51:13AM -0500, Chris Adams wrote: > > > > That makes it extra steps to see changelogs on a not-installed package. > > > > I do sometimes do "rpm -q --changelog -p foo.rpm" or "dnf changelog foo" > > > > (for example, to see what is changed since my installed version). > > > > Converting to an installed file means I would have to extract the RPM > > > > (possibly after manually downloading) and find it under a different > > > > directory for every RPM - much less convenient. > > > > > > A dnf plugin could be made which shows metadata like this from > > > src.fedoraproject.org or bodhi or some other source. > > > > > > > That's not helpful beyond Fedora, though. When it's forked into RHEL > > or CentOS, that changelog history from Fedora is preserved today. RHEL > > forks Fedora at the git level, so generated changelogs from Git will > > still work, and since CentOS gets SRPM imports into its Dist-Git, > > they'll be flattened into %changelog sections as appropriate. But if > > we rely on a web service to get changelogs, we screw over that > > particular transition path. > > Sure, but how often is that changelog: > > "Updated to 10.0.1" > > or > > "Fixed typo" > > I pretty much stopped reading changelogs a while back. > Looking at the upstream NEWS or announcement is better for releases, and > just looking at the git commits is better for isolating some change in > packaging. I do the opposite. I almost never read upstream news or changelog files. They just don't matter in most cases when I'm trying to figure out problems. Those timelines in the packaging changelogs are a good record of how the package itself has evolved, and sure, most of the time it's just updating to a new version, but those checkpoints are useful too. And in the Fedora -> RHEL -> CentOS case, we do not have those relationships with Git commits, so the changelog entries are the only way to figure out packaging deltas and such. -- 真実はいつも一つ！/ Always, there's only one truth! _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
