On Monday, June 29, 2020 12:54:02 AM MST Igor Raits wrote: > On Mon, 2020-06-29 at 00:37 -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > On Monday, June 29, 2020 12:32:56 AM MST Samuel Sieb wrote: > > > > > On 6/29/20 12:27 AM, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, June 29, 2020 12:18:28 AM MST Samuel Sieb wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 6/28/20 11:35 PM, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the best filesystem ever created, ZFS, I can't say that I > > > > > > agree > > > > > > with > > > > > > your assessment of that value. Having ZFS in Fedora would > > > > > > throw Fedora > > > > > > over the top as being the best Linux distro, hands down. I > > > > > > can count > > > > > > the > > > > > > number of times that having root on ZFS has led to me waiting > > > > > > on kernel > > > > > > updates over the past three years on one hand, and could > > > > > > still do so if > > > > > > I > > > > > > had half as many fingers! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How many times are you going to keep mentioning ZFS? It's > > > > > completely > > > > > off the table, not allowed, never happening. (I consider the > > > > > chance of > > > > > Oracle doing something reasonable to be immeasurably small.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See the relevant section of Mark's email. I also don't see how > > > > it'd > > > > require Oracle to change anything in order to get OpenZFS into > > > > Fedora. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You were mentioning ZFS, not OpenZFS. However, it's still the same > > > problem. OpenZFS is CDDL which won't be accepted. The only way > > > that > > > can be changed is if Oracle does something. And as long as OpenZFS > > > is > > > an out-of-tree module, it won't be in Fedora. > > > > > > > > ZFS, in terms of Linux support, is generally OpenZFS. You will note > > that Mark > > also simply said "ZFS". Yes, OpenZFS is under CDDL. That's not really > > a > > problem. See > > https://www.softwarefreedom.org/resources/2016/linux-kernel-cddl.html > > . Ubuntu's solution is wouldn't work for us, and it is a GPL > > violation > > (https://sfconservancy.org/blog/2016/feb/25/zfs-and-linux/), but > > it's also not necessary. The package for OpenZFS could be provided as > > a kmod > > package instead, which would *not* be a GPL violation. > > > > > > > > I don't understand the attitude against this particular out-of-tree > > module, as > > it's readily available for every kernel within days of release. The > > longest > > lulls have been around holidays, where it took up to 5 days to get > > support for > > the latest stable kernel. > > > First of all, Fedora is packaging not only latest stable kernel. Fedora > is building kernel from git in rawhide almost daily. Secondly, kmods in > Fedora are not allowed. The Times They Are a-Changin'. It wouldn't be the first radical change in Fedora recently. I don't see how building the kernel daily would be an issue here. Yes, it wouldn't work against some of them once every few months, and then it'd be fixed within a week. An exception could be made for this particular kmod, and it'd be well worth it for our users. -- John M. Harris, Jr. _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
