On Monday, June 29, 2020 12:32:56 AM MST Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 6/29/20 12:27 AM, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > On Monday, June 29, 2020 12:18:28 AM MST Samuel Sieb wrote: > > > >> On 6/28/20 11:35 PM, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>> For the best filesystem ever created, ZFS, I can't say that I agree > >>> with > >>> your assessment of that value. Having ZFS in Fedora would throw Fedora > >>> over the top as being the best Linux distro, hands down. I can count > >>> the > >>> number of times that having root on ZFS has led to me waiting on kernel > >>> updates over the past three years on one hand, and could still do so if > >>> I > >>> had half as many fingers! > >> > >> > >> > >> How many times are you going to keep mentioning ZFS? It's completely > >> off the table, not allowed, never happening. (I consider the chance of > >> Oracle doing something reasonable to be immeasurably small.) > > > > > > See the relevant section of Mark's email. I also don't see how it'd > > require Oracle to change anything in order to get OpenZFS into Fedora. > > > You were mentioning ZFS, not OpenZFS. However, it's still the same > problem. OpenZFS is CDDL which won't be accepted. The only way that > can be changed is if Oracle does something. And as long as OpenZFS is > an out-of-tree module, it won't be in Fedora. ZFS, in terms of Linux support, is generally OpenZFS. You will note that Mark also simply said "ZFS". Yes, OpenZFS is under CDDL. That's not really a problem. See https://www.softwarefreedom.org/resources/2016/linux-kernel-cddl.html. Ubuntu's solution is wouldn't work for us, and it is a GPL violation (https://sfconservancy.org/blog/2016/feb/25/zfs-and-linux/), but it's also not necessary. The package for OpenZFS could be provided as a kmod package instead, which would *not* be a GPL violation. I don't understand the attitude against this particular out-of-tree module, as it's readily available for every kernel within days of release. The longest lulls have been around holidays, where it took up to 5 days to get support for the latest stable kernel. -- John M. Harris, Jr. _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
