On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 1:47 AM Panu Matilainen <pmatilai@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On 3/31/20 8:44 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > I understand there are practical resource considerations and so on > > here, but I still think this merits more high level and serious > > consideration. At the very least, if we have somehow reached a point > > where Red Hat is no longer willing to provide sufficient resources to > > run Fedora on the lines the Fedora community wants it to be run, we > > need to recognize that this is a significant problem that needs to be > > properly aired and discussed and resolved. In this context I'll note > > that the apparent significant headcount reduction of RH people working > > on Fedora infrastructure over the last few years is in itself a > > worrying trend, particularly if you consider it while reading Clement's > > email. > > This. > > As a user, I wont be shedding a single tear for GitLab over Pagure, BUT. > > There's something very wrong with the picture here, and this forge > business seems more like an abscess that finally burst rather than the > disease itself. I really do not envy being in CPE's pants in this situation. > > If the problem is lack of funding for Fedora infastructure, shouldn't we > talking about that (finding additional sponsors or something) instead of > which limb to saw off to ensure enough blood for the remaining organs? I agree, and wonder about this too. But such a conversation immediately runs into the delicate and awkward realm of corporate politics: would Red Hat even allow other sponsors, and what are the parameters by which this could even happen - it's not clear to me at all. Also, there are different kinds of resources: funding, people, hardware (virtual/physical). While the project always has resource shortages to varying degrees, I'm not certain of any metric to establish a low watermark; know whether it's being approached before there's a problem; or a formal mechanism of refreshing teams to avoid burn out and hitting a resource low watermark. Another example of this is: #275 Websites team needs revitalizing https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/275 from which I've just realized two things: (a) CPE is Fedora Infrastructure team; (b) due to the lack of an active websites team, this responsibility is, for now, on CPE. -- Chris Murphy _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
