On Thursday, March 19, 2020 8:03:18 PM MST Martin Langhoff wrote: > Oh my - Daniel and his sock puppets come to bring mayhem to Fedora-devel? > > some background at https://lwn.net/Articles/814508/ > > cut off the trolling... > > > m > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 3:37 PM Ty Young <youngty1997@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On 3/19/20 2:18 PM, Daniel Pocock wrote: > > > On 12/03/2020 22:34, Matthew Miller wrote: > > >> On Sat, Mar 07, 2020 at 11:33:04PM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote: > > >>> It is very, very wrong and I don't feel I should have to make a public > > >>> request like this. Nonetheless, there is a certain type of person who > > >> > > >> Daniel, to request re-instatement, please follow the process outlined > > >> in the original code-of-conduct suspension notice you received. A > > >> public post is not necessary. > > > > > > Personally, I feel offended by your choice of words > > > > > > A suspension of a blog may itself be a violation of the Code of Conduct > > > if the blog was written in good faith > > > > > > I never received one complaint about my blog from anybody in the Fedora > > > world. Several people noticed when it disappeared though. > > > > > > The blog post in question discussed a conflict of interest between the > > > leaders of two free software organizations, the Debian Project Leader > > > and the OSI board president. As I interacted with both of them > > > personally, I felt that I was qualified to share my observations. > > > > > > That topic itself was forced into the public because one of the people > > > party to the conflict of interest had spread gossip about me and the > > > other used her speech at an event for humiliating volunteers. > > > > > > It feels like Codes of Conduct apply to some people and not others. As > > > George Orwell puts it, /All animals are equal but some animals are more > > > equal than others/. > > > > Have you seen Gnome's CoC? It literally allows racism. There was a bit > > of an uproar about it, and Gnome foundation/developers members refused > > to change it. > > > > > > (Gnome and Fedora are very incestous projects, so yes, it is relevant) > > > > > > Now that communism is the cool, hip ideology in town, Gnome/Fedora are > > embracing it. Book burning is the next step, but one might argue the > > deletion of discussion threads and blogs already *is* that step. > > > > > Fedora's Code of Conduct[1] asks people to be excellent to each other. > > > When talking about governance issues, being excellent to other > > > volunteers means telling them the truth about leadership problems in the > > > free software world. > > > > > > Being excellent to leaders who behave badly means keeping a focus on the > > > issues. For example, when blogging about two people with a romantic > > > conflict of interest, I would never speculate about their first date and > > > other personal details, I would only focus on the way their decision > > > making was impaired. > > > > > > Even this week there are people writing public comments alleging I had a > > > conflict of interest, but that is false. I named Chris Lamb and Molly > > > de Blanc because their conflict of interest was at the root of certain > > > problems. At least one member of Debian's mentoring team also had a > > > conflict of interest with an intern. I didn't identify them out of > > > concerns for student privacy. Nonetheless, when people spread gossip, > > > leadership figures have a responsibility to stop it, but they didn't, > > > they added fuel to the fire and they continue to do so even now. > > > > > > If the leaders of organizations can behave like that, why should the > > > Code of Conduct deny a volunteer a right of reply? > > > > Silly Daniel, you aren't supposed to question the supreme leaders. You > > have to fall in line and never question anything. > > > > > > If you need help understanding, I recommend reading up on what's going > > on in China right now. Concentration camps, book burning, police > > brutality, people vanishing, etc... > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Daniel Hi Martin, Please see the Fedora Code of Conduct[1]. Referring to other members of the community as "sock puppets" falls a bit shy of "be excellent to each other", in my opinion. 1: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ -- John M. Harris, Jr. Splentity _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
