On 3/19/20 10:03 PM, Martin Langhoff
wrote:
Oh my - Daniel and his sock puppets come to bring mayhem to Fedora-devel?
some background at https://lwn.net/Articles/814508/
cut off the trolling...
I do believe calling people "sock puppets" is a violation of the
CoC. Specifically, the "be respectful" section at the top.
Anyway, not the same person. I'd jump off a cliff before having
anything to do with or use Debian. Anyone who knows me from Reddit
could probably tell you that.
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On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 3:37 PM Ty Young <youngty1997@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On 3/19/20 2:18 PM, Daniel Pocock wrote:
>
> On 12/03/2020 22:34, Matthew Miller wrote:
>> On Sat, Mar 07, 2020 at 11:33:04PM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote:
>>> It is very, very wrong and I don't feel I should have to make a public
>>> request like this. Nonetheless, there is a certain type of person who
>> Daniel, to request re-instatement, please follow the process outlined
>> in the original code-of-conduct suspension notice you received. A
>> public post is not necessary.
>
> Personally, I feel offended by your choice of words
>
> A suspension of a blog may itself be a violation of the Code of Conduct
> if the blog was written in good faith
>
> I never received one complaint about my blog from anybody in the Fedora
> world. Several people noticed when it disappeared though.
>
> The blog post in question discussed a conflict of interest between the
> leaders of two free software organizations, the Debian Project Leader
> and the OSI board president. As I interacted with both of them
> personally, I felt that I was qualified to share my observations.
>
> That topic itself was forced into the public because one of the people
> party to the conflict of interest had spread gossip about me and the
> other used her speech at an event for humiliating volunteers.
>
> It feels like Codes of Conduct apply to some people and not others. As
> George Orwell puts it, /All animals are equal but some animals are more
> equal than others/.
Have you seen Gnome's CoC? It literally allows racism. There was a bit
of an uproar about it, and Gnome foundation/developers members refused
to change it.
(Gnome and Fedora are very incestous projects, so yes, it is relevant)
Now that communism is the cool, hip ideology in town, Gnome/Fedora are
embracing it. Book burning is the next step, but one might argue the
deletion of discussion threads and blogs already *is* that step.
>
> Fedora's Code of Conduct[1] asks people to be excellent to each other.
> When talking about governance issues, being excellent to other
> volunteers means telling them the truth about leadership problems in the
> free software world.
>
> Being excellent to leaders who behave badly means keeping a focus on the
> issues. For example, when blogging about two people with a romantic
> conflict of interest, I would never speculate about their first date and
> other personal details, I would only focus on the way their decision
> making was impaired.
>
> Even this week there are people writing public comments alleging I had a
> conflict of interest, but that is false. I named Chris Lamb and Molly
> de Blanc because their conflict of interest was at the root of certain
> problems. At least one member of Debian's mentoring team also had a
> conflict of interest with an intern. I didn't identify them out of
> concerns for student privacy. Nonetheless, when people spread gossip,
> leadership figures have a responsibility to stop it, but they didn't,
> they added fuel to the fire and they continue to do so even now.
>
> If the leaders of organizations can behave like that, why should the
> Code of Conduct deny a volunteer a right of reply?
Silly Daniel, you aren't supposed to question the supreme leaders. You
have to fall in line and never question anything.
If you need help understanding, I recommend reading up on what's going
on in China right now. Concentration camps, book burning, police
brutality, people vanishing, etc...
>
> Regards,
>
> Daniel
>
> 1. https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/
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