On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 at 06:10, Damian Ivanov <damianatorrpm@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Maybe now that RH is part of IBM they have changed their short sighted view of not collaborating on a better build system like OBS. That is looking for a boogeyman under the bed to blame something that has a long long history of not happening. Ever since OBS has been out, there has been a yearly 'why isn't Fedora moving to OBS' thread somewhere and there have been long lists of 'why we aren't' over and over again. It has nothing to do with being part of IBM and a lot about 1. Moving to OBS would have required rewriting a lot of spec files to match what OBS looked for (this has gotten better over time but some rewrite would be needed). 2. Different needs of the build system. The koji system has an accounting logic which is tied into giving certain assurances about when, where, who, and how software was compiled. OBS has different accounting logic. You either have to spend a long time trying to figure out how to convert the two, or dump one and start over with OBS. Then you are pretty much starting a new operating system. 3. Changes occur by the people who put the work in. The people who are spending 60-80 hours a week trying to keep Fedora compiling and running know Koji. If another group wants to set up and run OBS to make their own OS, they need to show up with the hardware, storage, and time to do so because there is no slack with current people, hardware, storage to stop running Koji. 4. Creative differences which are a fine line from Not Invented Here but still exist. We tend to focus on 4 a lot in these conversations because it makes for the most 'fun' drama. We tend to ignore 2 and 3 because they are 'someone else's problem' that could become our own if we let it. The problem is that 4 is a molehill and 1,2,3 are mountains of different heights. > As I recall back than it was already able to bootstrap on centos and fedora and build packages and the only argument against it was legacy support with mock / koji which provide a fraction of functions that OBS does (mostly things that make it easy to get new contributers like a web interface to edit spec files and webhooks not to mention that these Mass rebuilt emails could be a thing of the past). > > On Wed, 29 Jan 2020, 12:17 Christophe de Dinechin, <dinechin@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> >> >> > On 29 Jan 2020, at 00:26, Robert-André Mauchin <zebob.m@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> > >> > On Tuesday, 28 January 2020 10:03:09 CET Richard W.M. Jones wrote: >> >> * committing to git should build the package >> >> >> >> Is there a reason why this wouldn't be the case? >> > >> > Please no. Sometimes you just fix a typo or add a comment and there's no need >> > to rebuild until a next release. >> >> This “sometimes" is the rare case. So having a “push —nobuild” would address that need. >> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> > Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ >> > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines >> > List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> _______________________________________________ >> devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ >> List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines >> List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > _______________________________________________ > devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx -- Stephen J Smoogen. _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
