On 1/25/20 7:12 PM, Neal Gompa wrote:
On Sat, Jan 25, 2020 at 7:42 PM Ty Young <youngty1997@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
You miss the point of how FOSS projects work. Read up on some history
and get some understanding of the cultural background before you
blithely say that ideology and passion are what is killing Linux
distros. People who are passionate about FOSS and develop their
platforms work to produce quality software because they care for it.
High quality software is an effect of the process, not the deliberate
goal. And this means that sometimes FOSS *isn't* the highest quality
it could be, because the person working on it as a passion cannot do
so alone. That's the opportunity for you to step up and help make it
better.
That, in itself, is the core difference between FOSS and proprietary
software. FOSS is full of passion and possibility, while proprietary
software is defined only by its usefulness and restrictions.
You say this as if everything is black and white; that things like
"passion" can't possibly hurt you.
Anyway, getting off topic. I don't mind personally but I don't want any
excuses to nuke this off the face of the planet.
It's best not to bring up any such issues, especially in Fedora/Gnome
home turf. They have "Code of Conduct" nukes that are used to silence
any discussion they don't agree with. Just take a look at the Gnome
subreddit, wherein the moderators have been caught and continue to issue
thread/comment locks and temp bans for (nicely) pointing out bugs in
Gnome. It's scary stuff, and is only getting worse with Gnome's Code of
Conduct allowing racism. They will deny it endlessly that this is the
intent but have publicly fought against revising it to clear up the
intent after public outcry.
Be silent and fall in line, or be sent to the gulag.
This is very rude and definitely a huge misrepresentation of the
Fedora community. While it is true that Fedora Workstation is GNOME
centric, Fedora is one of a select few that contains virtually every
major desktop environment and window manager, as well as several minor
ones. We have Lumina, Xfce, MATE, KDE (my favorite and what I
personally run), Cinnamon, Deepin, Pantheon (from elementary OS!), and
many others. We support several desktop environments quite well, and
offer spins for most of them at https://spins.fedoraproject.org. Most
of these have official teams (Special Interest Groups) that support
these environments. If you're interested in one, join one of them.
Not calling out anyone who isn't aware of or agrees with Fedora and/or
Gnome's tendencies to nuke discussions into orbit(or their Code of
Conducts). I guess I should have been more clear on that. Apologies.
I don't know anything about the GNOME subreddit, nor do I really care.
GNOME is not Fedora. And Fedora itself is not defined by GNOME. We are
a separate, larger entity that does quite a bit more and has a much
more diverse audience.
While that's true, it's well known that Gnome and Fedora have a very
incestuous relationship. So much so that people point to Fedora as the
"premium" Gnome 3 experience. Whether or not that is actually true is
neither here nor there, point is that there is a lot of developers that
are apart of both(which is why people say that).
Like all good communities, respectful discourse is permitted, but
being belligerent, hateful, and condescending is unnecessary and
unwanted. Let's be excellent to each other. Be good to your fellow
human.
This isn't a universally shared way of thinking, sadly.
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