On Sat, Jan 25, 2020 at 7:42 PM Ty Young <youngty1997@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > Hi Bill, > > > Not an average Fedora user but I've used several Linux > distributions(including Fedora and versions there of) over the years. > What you are bringing up is 100% valid and isn't new or specific to > Fedora. It's been a known and valid complaint that there isn't enough > software in distro X or that the quality of what does exist in distro X > is poor. > > > The unfortunate reality is that none of what you describe will likely > change in any significant way, at least not with the standard Linux > distros(Ubuntu, Fedora, Debian, Arch) etc. Too much of Linux is ideology > based(GNU, among other political ideologies) instead of just making the > best software/platform possible, which pushes away people who would like > to contribute and use Linux software. There is little, if any, > compromises by those who believe in these ideologies. They are willing > to stand by their beliefs until the very end. > > > This, sadly, results in the situation where we are now: lots of Linux > distributions and/or desktop shells that are either of poor quality or > abandoned. Software developers don't want to support half or dozen(or > more!) Linux distributions, so they either don't support Linux or only > target a specific distribution. That makes users mad and leave so > developers don't bother targeting those distributions... and well, yeah, > you get the idea. > > You miss the point of how FOSS projects work. Read up on some history and get some understanding of the cultural background before you blithely say that ideology and passion are what is killing Linux distros. People who are passionate about FOSS and develop their platforms work to produce quality software because they care for it. High quality software is an effect of the process, not the deliberate goal. And this means that sometimes FOSS *isn't* the highest quality it could be, because the person working on it as a passion cannot do so alone. That's the opportunity for you to step up and help make it better. That, in itself, is the core difference between FOSS and proprietary software. FOSS is full of passion and possibility, while proprietary software is defined only by its usefulness and restrictions. > It's best not to bring up any such issues, especially in Fedora/Gnome > home turf. They have "Code of Conduct" nukes that are used to silence > any discussion they don't agree with. Just take a look at the Gnome > subreddit, wherein the moderators have been caught and continue to issue > thread/comment locks and temp bans for (nicely) pointing out bugs in > Gnome. It's scary stuff, and is only getting worse with Gnome's Code of > Conduct allowing racism. They will deny it endlessly that this is the > intent but have publicly fought against revising it to clear up the > intent after public outcry. > > > Be silent and fall in line, or be sent to the gulag. > This is very rude and definitely a huge misrepresentation of the Fedora community. While it is true that Fedora Workstation is GNOME centric, Fedora is one of a select few that contains virtually every major desktop environment and window manager, as well as several minor ones. We have Lumina, Xfce, MATE, KDE (my favorite and what I personally run), Cinnamon, Deepin, Pantheon (from elementary OS!), and many others. We support several desktop environments quite well, and offer spins for most of them at https://spins.fedoraproject.org. Most of these have official teams (Special Interest Groups) that support these environments. If you're interested in one, join one of them. I don't know anything about the GNOME subreddit, nor do I really care. GNOME is not Fedora. And Fedora itself is not defined by GNOME. We are a separate, larger entity that does quite a bit more and has a much more diverse audience. Like all good communities, respectful discourse is permitted, but being belligerent, hateful, and condescending is unnecessary and unwanted. Let's be excellent to each other. Be good to your fellow human. -- 真実はいつも一つ！/ Always, there's only one truth! _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
