On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 3:43 PM Clement Verna <cverna@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > On Wed, 22 Jan 2020 at 15:37, Ernestas Kulik <ekulik@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> On Wed, 2020-01-22 at 09:12 -0500, Neal Gompa wrote: >> > On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 9:08 AM Ernestas Kulik <ekulik@xxxxxxxxxx> >> > wrote: >> > > On Wed, 2020-01-22 at 05:00 -0500, Neal Gompa wrote: >> > > > > > And then there's the issue that we are not upstream and might >> > > > > > have to >> > > > > > maintain the integration as a downstream patch forever as >> > > > > > upstream might >> > > > > > not want it. >> > > > > >> > > > > They've provided pretty good support to various other open >> > > > > source >> > > > > communities such as GNOME and Freedesktop/Xorg. >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > Yes, but neither of those communities actually have terribly >> > > > special >> > > > requirements. In fact, those communities either had *nothing* in >> > > > terms >> > > > of infrastructure (FreeDesktop/Xorg) or were willing to throw >> > > > everything away for GitLab (GNOME). We would not fit in either >> > > > bucket, >> > > > which makes GitLab a very awkward fit for us. >> > > >> > > “Throw everything away”? Just how much of the transition did you >> > > follow? >> > > >> > > GitLab was more than accommodating in pulling features out of the >> > > enterprise edition into the community one that were crucial for our >> > > workflows. It was not done on a whim and I really resent your >> > > statements here. >> > > >> > >> > I followed it pretty closely. In the GNOME case, you were willing to >> > throw away Bugzilla, CGit, and older CI infrastructure to replace it >> > with GitLab. You guys also renamed some of your repositories to >> > accommodate the restrictions on project naming by GitLab. A lot of >> > retooling was required as part of the transition to GitLab for GNOME. >> >> What? Do you suggest adding more infrastructure to maintain on (at the >> time) a singular sysadmin? Bugzilla and cgit were to be made redundant, >> that’s the whole point here. >> >> The “older CI infrastructure” is still there and has been semi-broken >> forever, so that’s as immaterial as it gets. The development for the >> replacement was only nudged by the GitLab transition. >> >> I don’t even know how to approach the accusation that we bent over >> backwards to appease the overlords, dictating repository naming. Yes, >> GTK, most prominently, was renamed as a result. It really was more a >> pretext, because no one cares about the plus and it was historical >> baggage. >> >> > That, by my definition, is throwing away everything. It had knock on >> > effects for everyone downstream as well, as all the tools for >> > tracking >> > GNOME also broke and needed to change. Again, that's fine if the >> > community is generally accepting of this pain, but it is still pain, >> > even if you refuse to acknowledge it. >> >> Please don’t say I’m in denial just because I don’t agree with what >> you’re trying to convey here. >> >> My observation is that the pipelines that were built only managed to >> improve developers’ workflows by automating as much as possible with a >> tool that tries to provide that. Those, who preferred the old ways, >> adjusted as best they could, too, even only taking patches in GitLab >> issues instead of working with merge requests. You can only imagine how >> many external contributions those projects see. > > > For the curious like me, is the GNOME GitLab instance self hosted ? or hosted by GitLab ? It is self-hosted. > >> >> >> -- >> Ernestas Kulik >> Associate Software Engineer - Base Operating Systems (Core >> Services/ABRT) >> Red Hat Czech, s.r.o. >> _______________________________________________ >> devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ >> List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines >> List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > _______________________________________________ > devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
