On Sunday, December 15, 2019 9:03:06 PM MST Chris Murphy wrote: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ Fedora_32_Final_Release_Criteria#OS_X_dual_boot Thank you, I'll see if anyone actually tests that, and see if we can get a Change proposal to drop that requirement if not. > > >It's certainly true that Apple will not service your hardware if you've got > >an OS other than their proprietary nonsense installed. > > For laptops. For desktops, it is still a standard offering. > > > Literally zero desktops I looked at today, come with optical drives > standard. Do they exist? I don't doubt they do. But they're far less > common than the standard prebuilt systems that don't have it. And it > doesn't even matter because what matters is what the community > resources dictate for this use case. And the whole impetus behind the > change proposal is lack of testers. Again, I don't know where you looked, but that is not representative of the systems available today. See the examples found by myself and others earlier in this thread. > > "included in the box" was never my claim. > > > A standard method of installing, and yet not included in the box. It's > a standard way to not install. You completely ignored what I said, and took part of one sentence. When these vendors actually do include installation media at all, it's an optical disk. > >I don't think Apple has ever included ANY installation media in the box. > > They did for many years. Floppies, CD's, DVDs. Fair enough, I'll have to take you on your word for that, I've never purchased one of those devices. However, from what you've said, it seems that those would be optical media as well, in recent years. > > > Fedora testing can't get more than a couple people to test the optical > > > release criterion. These days it's typically Adam or Kamil digging > > > into a supply of DVDs they keep around exclusively for this test, > > > having no purpose for them otherwise. Overwhelmingly QA testers and > > > feedback is based on USB stick installations. > > > > > > > > You make it sound like disks are hard to come by. They're not. > > > Indeed, it's the users with optical drives who are hard to come by, > especially for testing. Is that actually the case? If so, I'd be happy to ship out an optical drive to anyone in need. They're incredibly inexpensive in the US, and I actually have a box full of them, both SATA and USB. -- John M. Harris, Jr. Splentity _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
