On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 4:49 PM Miro Hrončok <mhroncok@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On 14. 11. 19 22:30, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 4:24 PM Miro Hrončok <mhroncok@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Easy is subjective. I don't consider this easy. I consider it seriously
>> overcomplicated. The idea that going modular will somehow help with current
>> problems in modularity is exactly what happened to eclipse.
>
> No, what happened to Eclipse is that the maintainers of maven and ant
> ran ahead without asking for input, created an environment that caused
> problems for Eclipse and Eclipse got backed into a corner.
>
> As for overcomplicated, I think we can simplify it quite a lot, but I
> think I'm doing a poor job of explaining it over email. Perhaps we
> could do a Google Hangout tomorrow and discuss it real-time?
Sure thing. Please contact me off-list to discuss when to do this. I'm not
entirely sure it can be tomorrow. I would like to have other Python maintainers
there, especially those who have been involved in RHEL 8 Python modularization
and Petr Viktorin (the team-lead) is on vacation tomorrow.
After tomorrow, I’m out of the office for two weeks. So I may see if I can brain-dump to Petr and have him meet with you folks.
>> I'm not going to do this. I guess that after the RHEL 8 experience, neither are
>> the remaining Python maintainers.
>
> Please defer judgement until we've talked out the whole idea. That's all I ask.
I will try to do that, but I'm seriously biased here. I try not to be, but it's
getting harder with every modularity thread on this list.
I understand. It’s been a rough road and it’s easy to get discouraged. I really feel like we are approaching the finish line and shouldn’t give up just yet!
Thank you for keeping an open mind. Your help and feedback has been invaluable.
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