On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 12:15 AM Neal Gompa <ngompa13@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 12:11 AM John M. Harris Jr <johnmh@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, October 15, 2019 9:07:51 PM MST Neal Gompa wrote: > > > On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 12:05 AM John M. Harris Jr <johnmh@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, October 15, 2019 6:26:31 PM MST Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > > > > > > > > given that we're talking about the need to migrate defaults > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To clarify, that has not been decided, and a prominent option mentioned > > > > in > > > > this thread is the option to simply require that there is a non-modular > > > > package. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we can pretty much guarantee that's not going to happen. > > > Unfortunately, modularization is a one-way road, given how modularity > > > is implemented in DNF and how our distribution policies are currently > > > structured. > > > > > > It just means that people need to *really* think of the consequences > > > of modularizing content, because there's basically no going back after > > > that. We have no escape hatches or transition mechanisms to go from > > > modular to non-modular variants of the same RPMs. > > > > That's not what the proposal is. The proposal is to require a non-modular > > version, an "ursine package", for modular packages, instead of default > > modules. > > We cannot remove already existing default modules without further > breaking things. Moreover, DNF will refuse to expose non-modular RPMs > if it's aware of modular ones that have existed at some point. The > best we can do is stop people from making more. > This is currently accurate. > We have no process for de-modularization and I fully expect us to not > have one ever, as the end goal of the modularity project is to enable > a fully modularized distribution. Even RHEL 8 isn't a full realization > of that vision. This is not true. It should be *possible* to have a fully modularized distribution, but that isn't a specific goal for Fedora or RHEL. Also, we *are* investigating ways that we could move RPMs out of modules, because this may be important for many reasons (such as moving a common dependency out of a module and back to the non-modular repo to be shared). We haven't figured this one out yet, but it's on the queue. _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
