On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 12:05 AM John M. Harris Jr <johnmh@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On Tuesday, October 15, 2019 6:26:31 PM MST Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > given that we're talking about the need to migrate defaults > > To clarify, that has not been decided, and a prominent option mentioned in > this thread is the option to simply require that there is a non-modular > package. An awful lot of people are repeating this as if it's a solution without understanding the existing architecture. Believe it or not, attempting to abandon default streams and go back to only non-modular content available by default is a lot harder than it sounds (or should be, but I noted that we're working on that in another reply elsewhere in the thread). There is currently no path to upgrades that would get back from the modular versions and the closest we could manage would be to rely on the dist-upgrade distro-sync, but in that case we *still* need to have DNF recognize that the default stream has changed (in this case, been dropped) and handle that accordingly. It may be more work to go backwards than forwards at this point. Modularity does provide some useful feature additions, so to my mind it makes more sense to properly fix the issues we have with it rather than expend enormous amounts of energy to remove those features and revert to the old way of doing things. And, yes, reduce Fedora's value to Red Hat in the process. I started this discussion to ask the community to help us identify the best path *forward*. An endless barrage of "kill it off" replies is not helpful or productive. If anyone has specific advice on how to move forward (or, indeed, if you can figure out how to migrate back without considerable release engineering and packager effort), that would be productive. Just please keep in mind that we have to go to war with the army we have, not the one we wish we had. _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
