On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 5:21 PM Michael Catanzaro <mcatanzaro@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 3:11 pm, Ankur Sinha <sanjay.ankur@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > > So I guess I am arguing that while the "new package for existing > > maintainers" remain at the `fedpkg` level of doing things, the "join > > the > > package collection maintainer" page for newbies, who should not be > > assumed to have prior knowledge about rpm, should start at the > > `rpmbuild` level and promote them to `fedpkg` when they reach the > > "import to SCM" steps. > > I don't agree. I can probably count on one hand the number of times > I've used rpmbuild directly in the past five years. fedpkg is much > simpler, and simple is what we should be promoting to new packagers. > > We can all have our own preferred workflow, nothing wrong with that. > But the newcomers guide should be as simple as possible. Learning > packaging is complex and the fewer tools that new packagers need to > learn, the better. I strongly disagree with your take on what simplicity is. There various kinds of simplicity: simple to execute, and simple to understand. Rpmbuild is verbose, it provides more details and information without wrapping it all in helpers, isolation layers and so on. Thus with rpmbuild you can easily get, what is going on. I'd argue you don't want newcomers to copy-paste three cryptic commands and leave forever, you want to educate people on what they are doing. And cutting corners doesn't help in teaching. > > Michael > > _______________________________________________ > devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
