Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 31 Beta Freeze

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On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 10:22:32AM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Chris Murphy wrote:
> > 2400 is totally confusing, I'm only finding it used in military
> > contexts and even there it seems to be vernacular. I'd rather be
> > surprised if military police use it.
> 
> Then just write 23:59 instead.

+1.

(I asked a few people what 24:00 means to them, and after getting a
few strange looks and answers, I'm convinced that 23:59 is much
better. (It's only English-speaking people who are confused.
I think this stems from US imperial culture, where 12:00 PM is noon,
and 12:00 AM is midnight. It is labelling the boundary of a range with
a value from the neighbouring range, which is ... bleh.  But the
confusion is unlikely to go away, so let's just avoid this.))

I also think 23:59 UTC (i.e. ~midnight UTC) is the best choice of the
actual time. We generally specify almost all times in UTC in Fedora,
and using a different timezone for this important date would be
confusing.

Contributors are primarily located in Europe and US, so midnight UTC
is 2 AM, 8 PM, or 5 PM, which is something like "close of the business
day", and I think it's nice the start the freeze at that time.

Zbyszek

> > My suggestion would be, without respect to preference, 0015 UTC, 0030
> > UTC, or 0100 UTC. And that's only because it acts like a kind of grace
> > period for anyone used to 0000 UTC, not paying attention to this
> > thread, and maybe misses the next announcement.
> 
> A one-hour (or less) "grace period" in the middle of the night is entirely 
> useless.
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