Hi, On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 03:44:12PM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 3:12 PM, Till Maas <opensource@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 02:30:20PM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: > >> On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 10:00 AM, Jason L Tibbitts III > > > >> > If we're going to patch grub to expand the set of keys it will watch > >> > for, is it possible to just expand the set to encompass all keys? We > >> > don't really need to make it that hard to find the grub menu, do we? > >> > >> I think it needs to be made specific, unambiguous, and deliberate. Yes > >> this means it is also obscure if you don't know the decoder ring, but > >> worse is when the decoder ring is either random or changing all the > >> time. But for that we get to thank companies that somehow find > > > > Accepting all keys is not random and is also not something that needs to > > be changed all the time. Can you maybe show some scenarios where it is > > actually a problem? > Example 2: Instructions say "press any key" and for whatever reason > the GRUB USB keyboard module doesn't actually recognize all keys on an > extended key keyboard. This wouldn't surprise me one bit because > Fedora, out of the box, doesn't recognize the keypad on my extended > key keyboard which also doesn't have a numlock button. And is a > numlock button something GRUB will recognize as "any key"? What about > Fn? Caps lock? > > If you say any key it must be literally any key on any keyboard and it > should always work and bring up the intended menu or it's a lie. And > it's not OK to lie to users, except under really arduous > circumstances. My proposal was for the instructions to recommend pressing a certain key but still accepting any key in grub, then there is no lie, since "Press space to enter grub" is still true when other keys allow the same. > >Also it would be awesome if it was still possible to easily > > reboot to grub after the kernel took over, e.g. from the harddisk > > password screen, GDM login screen and Gnome logout dialog. Then you can > > just make it user-friendly and obvious. > > password screen is a plymouth feature request; from what I'm looking > at gdm login and gnome logout dialog both have a restart option which > gets me back to GRUB so I'm not following what different behavior > you're proposing. My idea was to not have a short timeout when a user selects "Reboot to Bootloader" (to be implemented) as restart option, so that user do not have to fiddle with pressing the right key at the right time when they already know I want to get to the grub menu. Also when they missed the right time during boot, plymouth could recognise this, make sure the grub menu will be shown without a short timeout in the next boot and reboot. Kind regards Till _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/message/7KTQPA6FNX2AKFT5X53WPYPJLPOLGMR2/
