On Thu, Feb 15, 2018, at 5:39 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > In practice it tends to boil down to "me, nirik, and puiterwijk". Meanwhile, there are probably hundreds of people on this -devel list who are capable of debugging and fixing things - some very experienced engineers, yet some of them are here busily debating minor things about spec files. It doesn't make any sense at all to have hundreds (thousands?) of people whose sole power is to increment the versions of packages they own, and a tiny subset of people who are capable of e.g. reverting changes. First step: Close down the #fedora-releng channel and discuss problems in #fedora-devel. Releasing is not a distinct problem from development, and people should have experience in *both* roles. Two next steps: - Empower anyone to submit a pull request that can *revert* changes (e.g. the push steved just did to libevent) - not necessarily to merge it, but merging the PR should actually revert (e.g. it should also fix koji's state) - Generate a process to pick e.g. at least one person from each edition WG, plus perhaps more from various subsystems like Anaconda to be "on point" each day/week - and empower them to merge those PRs. Another step: - Create a process to "close the tree", like Mozilla does for Firefox. _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx