----- Mail original ----- De: "Adam Williamson" > Yes, but we're a *distributor*. It's our job to mediate change for our > users, not to just pass it along and wash our hands of it by saying > upstream was telling them about it. Sure, and Fedora had the choice of - shipping Firefox - shipping Firefox ESR - shipping Firefox and Firefox ESR And the good time to make this choice was at ESR branching, and Mozilla communicated a very detailed roadmap beforehand to help distributors and anyone else that ships a desktop that includes Firefox to make the best choice for their users. It is already communicating on the changes that will occur at the next branch point next year BTW. We understand the concept of branching points at Fedora, right? Maybe there needs to be less focus on new development models and how to enable various non-free binaries or non-free cloud services, and more thought about the classical release engineering actual big software projects use, more thought about the browser which is the central part of any internet-oriented desktop (yes that was cheap on my part but really, people should take a break and get some perspective, focus is good but self absorption is not, it only took me 5 years in start up + some more desintoxication time to learn it, the first person one is overselling to is always oneself). Kind regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx