Enviado desde mi iPhone > El 18 jul 2017, a las 21:51, Matthew Miller <mattdm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> escribió: > > Containers (and particularly, Docker-style containers with Kubernetes > orchestration) are rapidly taking over the server world. This is not > hyperbole, and while one might fairly throw "everything old is new > again", it's not a fad. This is a real generational shift. > > We're at the forefront of this with Fedora Atomic Host (and OpenShift > Origin in Fedora as well). This is awesome. > > I think these technologies are going to come to the desktop, too. Maybe > not Kubernetes for a while (although that certainly presents an > interesting picture of a hybrid-cloud-powered future), but certainly > container tech in some form — maybe it's an iteration of Jessie > Frazelle's Docker on the Desktop, maybe it's Snappy, maybe it's > Flatpak. I think Flatpak is a good bet, because I trust Alexander > Larsson's expertise in this space — and because it's aligned with OCI, > the Open Container Initiative. (Plus, using Docker inherently hacky, > and until Snappy gets the ability to use something other than an Ubuntu > binary runtime, it's a non-starter.) Hey Matthew Snappy can do this today in the master branch. There are a lot of thinned missing and a lot of assumptions are still in place but we are well on our way towards a working Fedora based snapd installation on any host distribution. The basic vocabulary is there. You can define a base snap for any snap you make. There is no nice out-of-the build system support yet but it will come in a few months. There is more related stuff in flight that snapd team calls "layouts", that lets developers describe the file system layout of the base snaps as well as for any app snaps. Combined you should expect a pure or hybryd fedora/suse/Debian/ubuntu system possible. We have had untested fedora base (tongue-in-cheek called fedora core snaps) around but since a lot of the things are not polished or final we didn't publish or publicize this more yet. > > In any case, I'm definitely interested in seeing the experiment. > > Ever since Fedora started, we've had several somewhat-competing key > activities — making an awesome out-of-the-box operating system (in > whatever flavors), _and_ in packaging up a universe of useful > applications and tools for users. I know *I* love that when I install > Fedora, I can install a graphics editor or an alternate terminal > program or whatever without going out to a web search and hoping > whatever I come back with isn't sketchy. > > We can definitely keep doing this as RPMs. That's fine; it's working, > and we're good at it. There's some pain, but we mostly know how to deal > with that pain. We also have a huge opportunity here to take that > accumulated wealth of packaged software and the expertise encoded in > that packaging and turn it into a trove of Flatpak applications. This > would bring the benefits of > > * safe online updates > * a sandboxing model > * ability to mix and match versions and streams > * a sane way to install apps on Fedora Atomic Workstation > > to Fedora users — but, also, it would immediately expand the reach and > impact of our work to users on other distros, where suddenly > Fedora-created packages run seamlessly. For graphical applications, the > work we do will immediately be multiplied in user impact. This is a > huge win with minimal effort on the part of packagers, once the planned > automation is all in place. > > Is this a plan for expanding Fedora domination? Yes — but I think > it's a pretty friendly one. Let's share our awesome work with more > people! > > -- > Matthew Miller > <mattdm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Fedora Project Leader > _______________________________________________ > devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
