Re: F27 System Wide Change: Graphical Applications as Flatpaks

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Hi,

On Fri, Jul 14, 2017, at 05:52 PM, Andrew Lutomirski wrote:

> I don't see the problem.  The runtime could be all of /use and the app
> could be a symlink living in /app that points at /usr.  The latter
> could be created on the fly in a tmpfs.

You're right; however, there are two other aspects to this.  

First, RPMs (as we use them) are designed for a single merged /usr,
and their %post scripts run with full CAP_SYS_ADMIN privileges.
This means if one wants to install any 3rd party apps, any sandboxing
at runtime is...well, useful, but there's a rather gaping hole if the
app is malicious, or the app provider is compromised.  This argument
also applies to distributions I think as well - it will improve security
to ensure that many apps and shared libraries (that aren't used in
host systems) *never* have CAP_SYS_ADMIN.

Second, to rephrase Richard's reply, the code+process lifecycle
binding is significantly simplifed in the flatpak model.  It by
default implements a model where updates don't delete files
underneath running apps.  This has never (AFAIK) been solved in the traditional package
manager model, and though I could imagine doing so, you'd
really end up with separate filesystem trees, whether those are
explicit or implicit.
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