On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 7:09 AM, Stephen John Smoogen <smooge@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On 17 November 2016 at 09:08, Bastien Nocera <bnocera@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >>> On 11 November 2016 at 03:20, Andreas Tunek <andreas.tunek@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> > As a mac owner (although one that is not very well supported by >>> > Linux*) I really appreciate the fact that Fedora works. And saying you >>> > do not want to support that hardware anymore just because you found a >>> > regression/bug is kind of lame. >>> >>> You are reading that wrong. The problem isn't that we don't want to >>> support Mac hardware, we are finding we can't support Mac hardware to >>> the level that it blocks a release because there are not enough people >>> testing the hardware in a fashion that finds blocker level bugs. >>> >>> This is where you and other Mac users can and MUST help out. Fedora is >>> a stone soup. Unless people bring some amount of work to the pot, what >>> they get out is water flavoured gravel. You can bring the spice and >>> aroma of a Mac hardware.. but if you don't then it doesn't mean that >>> we can wait until someone else does. >> >> That's an unfair characterisation of the problem. There are certainly plenty >> of people testing out Fedora on Macs. I'm guessing most of those folks have >> a single machine that they use Fedora on. You're asking them to do continuous >> testing of the installer, which the installer team is much more likely to be >> able to do. >> > > No I am not asking for continuous testing. I am asking that if people > really care about the hardware support they get in the muck and do > just a little of the work in an organized fashion. Put together a Mac > SIG that focuses on getting the best experience on the hardware. Send > some QA people newer Macs. Otherwise how do people know that it is > really important to you versus "I have 4 minutes on the internet so I > can send a complaint email" important. Because at this point that is > all this looks like. The reality is that QA is thinly spread in general. Making this blocker "about Macs" is a misleading conclusion, there's a grain of truth in it, but it's mistaking the forest for the trees. Next time there's a release blocking bug, it'll just be something else. -- Chris Murphy _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
