https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2016-11-10/f25-final-gono-go-meeting.2016-11-10-17.00.log.html >>>17:10:26 <adamw> i can't really vote -1 on this under the current criteria unless someone tries on a newer mac and it works. but given https://www.happyassassin.net/testcase_stats/25/Installation/QA_Testcase_dualboot_with_OSX_Miscellaneous.html , i am entirely open to dropping the criterion on the basis of failure to test. I think it's specious to drop the criterion on this basis. There are plenty of other things that don't get tested and their criterion don't get dropped. It's always a last minute rush to test things like active directory, Free IPA, iSCSI, you know the list way better than I do, so I don't know why you're picking on this one in contrast to others. >>>17:12:02 <sgallagh> I've never understood why we would block on failures to run on hardware that actively tries to make it difficult to run Linux on. Please elaborate on what this means. Specifically I have no idea what the word "actively" is referring to. >>>17:20:03 <adamw> oh that's right, Apple decided to have HFS+ formatted 'ESP'. because they're assholes. No, Macs have a FAT32 ESP just like other hardware does. And it can use a bootloader on that ESP just like other hardware does. It's how Ubuntu and openSUSE work on Macs. It's Anaconda and mactel-boot that make an hfsplus ESP, in order to trick the firmware into thinking the Fedora bootloaders are a macOS instance, so that the Mac's bootloader and startup panel will show Fedora as a boot option. openSUSE and Ubuntu aren't as pretty but things still work in a more standardized fashion. So feel free to drop the pretty UI/Ux going forward if maintaining that is going to cause problems, but I don't see how Fedora meets its goals by claiming Macs make things difficult for Linux, when in this Go No Go meeting is a pre-plan to actively make Fedora more difficult to use on Macs. -- Chris Murphy _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
