On Mon, 2016-11-14 at 14:30 -0800, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 1:26 PM, Josh Boyer <jwboyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > If the features were developed and tested during the creation of the > > release, why would they fail criteria at the last minute? > > Bit rot. That particular code is being modified, and there's no > testing on hardware affected by those changes before they get pushed > to the Fedora testing canary. This sort of relationship with an > upstream is exactly the reason why people refer to Fedora as Red Hat's > test bed. > > There's also an imbalance in funding Anaconda churn which is mostly > paid development, vs Fedora QA which no doubt has a much smaller > budget and to date has largely depended on unpaid contributors for > this testing. BTW, you're acting under one fundamental misconception here: the change that broke this was in *blivet*, not anaconda. Those development teams are now quite significantly separate. It was also a perfectly sensible and good change which led to substantially clearer and more testable code; it was just an unfortunate human error that an important condition was missed in the refactor, and the tests didn't catch it. Humans err. It happens. > There's seemingly no lack of resources for an installer that's in > continuous development without any apparent improvement in usability > or stability or blocker bugs since Fedora 17. This is completely false. The stability of anaconda has *greatly* improved since Fedora 17. I think you're also substantially overestimating the actual amount of change that happens in anaconda (never mind the confusion with blivet). There's quite a lot less than there used to be. > More canaries of any sort is not going to help find the source of the > problem and the solution. What's needed are people who can do the > proper kind of reporting, and there simply aren't enough of those to > keep up with all of OUR weird changes and code churn. I think before you keep up this line of argument you should provide some concrete examples of the 'weird changes' and 'code churn' you are claiming. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
