On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 07:55:06AM -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 7:43 AM, Michael Catanzaro <mcatanzaro@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > My $0.02 is that none of the reasons we requested the blocker criterion > > have changed. Dual boot with macOS is very important to attracting new > > users -- we're explicitly targeting macOS users, that's the user group > > where we think we have real potential for significant growth -- and I > > continue to prefer we block the release indefinitely if it's not > > working. We can't afford for our next Ars review to say "the installer > > is broken, try again next year." > > Then we, as a project, need to back that up with sufficient hardware > and test resources. Otherwise it is nothing more than a wish and will > continue to lead to problems like this. Adam W pinpointed an issue with "burner" Macs. I have a MBP myself that I treat as an appliance. I use it for Pro Tools and my non-FOSS related creative pursuits. I'm well aware of Apple's tactics when it comes to tight integration and OS/HW integrity. I don't mess with it at a low level, and don't test bare-metal installation on it (although I do test the live OS from USB). Also Michael pointed out something about a certain big company ;-) needing to provide hardware for the QA team. To the best of my knowledge, that company doesn't have a stake in putting products on e.g. Mac laptops. This is a community project, so let's see how we can handle this as a community, starting with the Workstation WG (as opposed to QA). That being said, I arranged to get an additional drive with some small $$ available from said company. I can use it to help with testing, since I happen to have hardware. My hope is other Workstation WG members will join me. Else we *do* look at removing criteria, not just throw them over the wall and expect QA to deal with it. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
