On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 9:08 AM, Fabio Alessandro Locati <fale@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 12:34:20AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: >> One thing I forgot to mention in my original reply to jwb (it was >> getting long) is that there's a conundrum that applies quite >> specifically to Mac support, and it's this: there are quite a lot of >> people who want to run Fedora on Macs (seemingly, at least) but very >> few in a position to test installs for new releases. > > Hi, > > I think this is a big problem. > If we have a "class" of users that have special needs (aka: very > specific hardware/software/bios/...) and they never tests things, I see > this more as their problem than other people problem. I see it as everyone's problem. A bad user experience for an entire class of users is not good for the project as a whole. I don't see the them and us >> The reason is pretty simple: very few people have a disposable Mac. >> About 90% of the time, the Mac people want to install Fedora on is >> their personal laptop. So of course they're not willing to test >> installing some random pre-Beta nightly snapshot and tell us if >> everything explodes. We also can't i) easily or ii) legally (AFAIK) >> install OS X into a VM on non-Apple hardware for testing. > > I don't see why people should not have a disposable Macs but is "normal" > to have a disposable PC. Cost, they're not the cheapest in the world, and often people just don't need a disposable device > Also, AFAIK, Mac users tend to substitute their machines more often than > PC users (at least statistically speaking), so many of them should have > a 2-3 years old machine laying around. I generally haven't seen that trend. The mac users I know often keep their devices as long as they are usable as they cost so much or they upgrade every time there's a new model and sell the old one ASAP to recoup some of the costs. For corp use this is often different but then it is with all laptops. >> We could, I suppose, try to get a few Mac users to look into testing in >> VMs on their Macs. But beyond that we need people with 'burner' Macs, >> and there aren't very many of them. We (Fedora QA) have just one old >> Mac Mini. > > I think VM testing on Mac would not produce any more insights than VM > testing on PC. Well running a VM on a Mac allows you to also run OSX virtually which means you could easily and legally do dual OS testing without a dedicated device. Peter _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
