Re: PSA: Do not run 'dnf update' inside GNOME, KDE or any other graphical desktop on Fedora 24

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On Tue, 2016-10-04 at 23:54 +0200, Jens Lody wrote:
> Am Tue, 04 Oct 2016 14:22:34 -0700
> schrieb Adam Williamson <adamwill@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
> 
> > On Tue, 2016-10-04 at 22:15 +0100, Tom Hughes wrote:
> > > On 04/10/16 22:04, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > >   
> > > > We've pretty much pinned it down, now. The recipe is: hybrid
> > > > graphics + systemd-udev update == X crash. That is, if there's a
> > > > systemd-udev update in the dnf transaction, and the system has
> > > > hybrid graphics, and X is running while the update runs, X will
> > > > crash. If you're running the update in a VT, X will crash but the
> > > > update will complete OK. If you run the update inside X, the
> > > > update process will die when X crashes and your system will be
> > > > left messed up.  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > My machine at work where this happens isn't hybrid. It has three 
> > > monitors spread over two Nvidia cards though, driven by nouveau
> > > rather than the proprietary drivers.  
> > 
> > 
> > OK, so probably strictly speaking this is triggered by having multiple
> > adapters. 'Hybrid graphics' is by far the most common case of that
> > these days, though. Thanks for the note, I'll revise my blog post
> > (that I'm writing ATM).
> 
> I did not see such crashes on my hybrid laptop with F24, X and
> gnome-shell.
> I mostly use the intel gpu, but some games run on the
> nvidia-gpu with nouveau-driver.
> I tried the "systemctl restart systemd-udev-trigger.service"-approach
> from a "normal" terminal and from a terminal under nouveau and there
> was not even a flashing of the monitor visible. I do not have a
> secondary (or third ...) monitor connected, just the default laptop
> screen.

OK, that's the second report of an unaffected hybrid system (cmurf said
the same thing).

So basically we can say that at least several systems with multiple
adapters are affected, and no-one has yet reported a system with a
single adapter being affected so far as I can tell. But not *all*
multiple adapter systems are affected. We don't know what the
difference is yet. Still, safest thing is just to assume that if you
have a multiple adapter system you may be affected.
-- 
Adam Williamson
Fedora QA Community Monkey
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