On Wed, 2016-06-01 at 09:59 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > > This paints a very specific premise of what a "logout" is, and I'm > not > sure I agree with it. There are actually many cases where I want to > use > resources on systems I have accounts on without specifically being > logged in — the login session is just a connection in to manage > things. > > Otherwise, we should remove user crontabs, at, and similar. And > there > are definitely some systems where that policy has a place, but I > don't > see it making sense as Fedora default, either system wide or for any > of > the Editions. > Explicitly marking things to escape the session (nohup, crontab, starting system services, etc) is very different from just leaking any and all non-terminating processes out of the session. I am very much in favor of systemd enforcing that the session actually ends when I log out, so that I don't accidentally leave processes running. Leaking session processes have been a perennial problem that we have been battling forever (gconf, ibus, pulseaudio, the list goes on...). And they are causing actual problems, from preventing re-login to subtly breaking the next session to slowing down shutdown. That doesn't mean that you can't have user crontabs. As Lennart says, using those mechanisms should ideally be a privileged operation (with a lenient policy on single-user systems). Matthias -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
