On Thu, December 17, 2015 8:08 am, Mustafa Muhammad wrote: > On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 6:24 PM, Lennart Poettering <mzerqung@xxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > >> On Thu, 17.12.15 10:02, Colin Walters (walters@xxxxxxxxxx) wrote: >> >> > On Thu, Dec 17, 2015, at 08:28 AM, Neil Horman wrote: >> > > >> > > I would question why its necessecary to keep systemd out so >> ardently. >> If you >> > > build your container layers properly, you can effectively put >> systemd >> in a base >> > > container and layer other applications in child containers that >> inherit from it. >> > >> > If one is doing "micro" containers that only have typically one >> process >> in them, >> > having systemd managing it is unnecessary overhead. >> >> Can you give realistic examples for these? Can you explain what you >> are intend to run as PID 1 in them instead? What is cleaning up /tmp >> for those things? What is setting up the tmpfiles bits in /run for >> them, and so on? >> > > The recommendation for docker containers is to only have one process, when > it dies, the whole container stops, this is how to manage a cluster and > know when something die. > The larger point is that -- despite best efforts -- there are still paradigms where the init process doesn't need to be heavy or complex in a system. Lightweight zombie processing and perhaps dispatching telinit signals to something else, if that. Modularized into distinctly-installed packages or not, there's no need for systemd in that environment when something smaller will do for PID 1. -jc -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
