On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 08:48:59AM +0200, Miroslav Suchý wrote: > >Offline updates are more for the cases where things need to be > >reliable, because no well educated admin is available to instantly > >fix things. > > I will print it an pin up on my notice board. > > And the implication is that offline updates are not for readers of > devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx I don't think that's very fair, without the context. First, of course, we're developing for more than just ourselves. And second, this isn't a reversible statement: just because offline updates primarily target one user type doesn't mean that other user types can't or shouldn't use it. Why do I care about this? The non-techie user wants less rebooting too. I'd love to see the updates toolchain get more smarts about recognizing when an update is "safe" (or at least "safer") and not reboot in those cases. That's possible but would be an investment of work. In the meantime, "offline updates if you want simple and guaranteed", "use yum or dnf online if you're able to handle unlikely but possible consequences" seems workable enough. -- Matthew Miller <mattdm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Fedora Project Leader -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct