On 12 September 2014 16:16, Nathanael d. Noblet <nathanael@xxxxxxx> wrote: > Yeah, I almost never use the reboot & install method. 90% of the > packages being installed/updated seem foolish to need a reboot to > update. I've been called worse that foolish I guess... > I typically do a yum update manually and then if I notice > glibc/kernel/systemd or other big packages do a reboot. That's just not safe. Have you ever had firefox open and done a firefox update? Widgets start disappearing, redraws start having weird artifects and then after a little while it just crashes. Other applications like LibreOffice behave the same. Anyone that says things like "the old version of the library stays in memory" obviously hasn't actually done much real-world GUI programming in the last decade, or runs any kind of secure desktop system. The *only* way to do this securely and safely in the system we have now is in a clean pre-boot environment, which is sad and crap UX, but still nevertheless true. When we have application sandboxing and a stable OS platform to use, we can certainly do something more sane, but until then we're just hacking around the problem. What we could do is do updates on shutdown by basically killing everything except PID 1, and then restart everything, but even then that relies on no systemd or kernel updates being present. Solving the real problem is much harder (OS + Apps split) but we also need to slow the firehose of needless updates. Richard -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
