-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 09/16/2014 04:02 PM, Lukáš Tinkl wrote: > Dne 16.9.2014 v 17:29 Matthias Clasen napsal(a): >> On Tue, 2014-09-16 at 16:21 +0200, Zdenek Kabelac wrote: >> >>> >>> Has Fedora given up Unix ?? >> >> This thread has gone quite far out into the weeds. It started >> with a fairly concrete question: can we improve the offline >> update experience by requiring only a single reboot, instead of >> two ? > > That's the core of the problem, while other systems have been > trying for years to get rid of this nonsense (updates requiring > reboots), we are moving the opposite direction. Technical reasons > aside(*), this is NOT right for our users. > While that may be a wonderfully ideal state to reach (and certainly worth discussion), I agree with Matthias that this has gone far afield of my original question. I'd like to try to tie this thread back to answering a single question: Without a fundamental redesign of the way things work, which would be a VERY large and long-term effort, can we improve the user experience for people *today* with fairly little effort? If the answer to that question is "yes", is there anything fundamentally wrong with adding that workaround while we solve the situation in a more complete manner? I think this is a great example of the adage "perfect is the enemy of the good". We have a situation that everyone seems to agree is less than ideal and we have two proposed solutions: one that probably requires only a few weeks of work and testing and one that probably requires a fundamental change to the way the system works and therefore could take years to accomplish. Ask yourself this question: are you as a user patient enough to wait for a perfect solution or are you happy with incremental improvement? > > (*) I agree offline updates are the safest way technically but > that should be only regarded as a workaround for a more fundamental > problem, lying deep below the desktop level. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iEYEARECAAYFAlQZe9kACgkQeiVVYja6o6N7LQCdHKJxoApCxamQgD65XW5tPYmz n7oAniCMrdHSL36Zp6P/auCd9iF3h53f =Ow2a -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
