-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 07/09/2014 03:07 PM, Mike Pinkerton wrote: > > On 7 Jul 2014, at 11:17, Josh Boyer wrote: > >> On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 9:02 AM, Stephen Gallagher >> <sgallagh@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >>> >>> On 07/06/2014 03:43 AM, William wrote: >>>> On Thu, 2014-07-03 at 10:05 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: >>>>> >>>>> That's misleading. Fedora hasn't been releasing >>>>> "do-it-yourself" releases. Our previous install images >>>>> were composed and tested by QA, including testing fedup >>>>> upgrades from the previous release. With Fedora.next, we >>>>> don't have an install image that is an equivalent of <= >>>>> F20. >>>>> >>>>> Perhaps I have missed them, but I've seen no discussion or >>>>> plans around testing upgrades to F21 from F20. Unless the >>>>> Products intend to test upgrading from F20, and/or QA >>>>> intends to somehow test fedup from F20 to F21 in a >>>>> non-product manner, we're essentially changing the >>>>> semantics of upgrades. I agree it should still work, but >>>>> saying it's a continuation of existing practice when it >>>>> isn't is wrong. >>>>> >>>>> josh >>>> >>>> >>>> It's also misleading given how much focus has been given to >>>> the three new products that will be released: So why now is >>>> there a "non-productised" version? That's not been advertised >>>> much. >>>> >>> >>> I honestly don't know how much more we could have advertised >>> that. We've been talking about it since the beginning. >>> Particularly about how the Fedora Products are additive to the >>> classic Fedora and that spins aren't going away (they're >>> non-productized versions too). >> >> You're talking about additive in the "they all use the same >> repos" sense, but there is no planned install media that will be >> produced similar to the F20 release. There are the 3 products, >> and there are the spins. The product closest to the existing >> Fedora default is Workstation, and we're targeting a live media >> as the primary deliverable. There have been 0 plans or >> discussions around fedup/upgrades from F20 so far. > > > > While I appreciate that the Fedora project has goals that it wants > to achieve with the three new "products", I had assumed based on > the explanations that I have read that: > > 1. There will not be any change in the repo structure -- no > separate repos for separate "products". > This is true. > 2. For those of us who are not interested in the new "products" or > do not find their minimum package assurances to be important in our > use cases, there will still be a traditional "non-productized" > Fedora. > This is nuanced. Fedora as a non-Productized repository will exist. See below. > 3. There will still be plain "non-productized" versions of > /etc/os-release (or wherever the systemd guys are relocating it) > and /etc/fedora-release. > This is true. > 4. There would be, at least, a net install CD to install a > traditional "non-productized" Fedora system. > This is not strictly true. The *official* install media will be for one of the Products. There will also be install media and/or live images for the Spins. These Spins will essentially be installing specific package sets from non-productized Fedora. I do not know which or if any Spins will be providing the specific net install CD you're asking about. This will not be an *official* (read: tested by QA) method of installing Fedora. However, I see no reason why it wouldn't work. > 5. A fedup upgrade will be possible from a traditional > "non-productized" Fedora 20 system to a traditional > "non-productized" Fedora 21 system and, in due time, from > traditional "non-productized" Fedora 21 to 22, etc. > This statement is true for F20->F21. For F21->F22, I want it to be possible to go from "non-productized" to "productized" *if the user wishes* (opt-in, not opt-out). > Am I mistaken on any or all of this? > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlO9qS8ACgkQeiVVYja6o6Oa3ACbBm+zSBn3I2WLRhjU35d16644 emEAnjSHRMoSOX3aGXrobm+uxzYbSfaG =e1DI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
