On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 9:57 AM, Stephen Gallagher <sgallagh@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 07/03/2014 01:42 AM, William wrote: >> On Wed, 2014-07-02 at 20:40 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote: >>> On 07/02/2014 06:55 PM, William wrote: >>>> >>>>> First of all, I'd like to formally propose that each of the >>>>> products will have a fedora-release-$PRODUCT (and >>>>> corresponding generic-release-$PRODUCT) package. This package >>>>> will meet several needs (with magical hand-waving in this >>>>> initial email). >>>> >>>> How will this work with fedup from 20 to 21? Will there be >>>> multiple upgrade targets? >>>> >>> Why would that be necessary? All packages are in one repository, >>> so fedora-release-$PRODUCT will be upgraded to the next version >>> and everything will be fine. >> >> My machine doesn't currently have a fedora-release-$PRODUCT >> package installed. So how will fedup work out what one to put on my >> system? Will these packages be added to 20, and the user need to >> preinstall before fedup? >> > > It won't put one on your system. Upgrades from a non-Productized > Fedora will remain non-Productized. It's not *less* Fedora than before. > > The Products are basically a statement that "this minimal set of > packages and services are available on the system". A non-productized > Fedora install is essentially just a continuation of the classic > do-it-yourself approach that Fedora has been up to this point. That's misleading. Fedora hasn't been releasing "do-it-yourself" releases. Our previous install images were composed and tested by QA, including testing fedup upgrades from the previous release. With Fedora.next, we don't have an install image that is an equivalent of <= F20. Perhaps I have missed them, but I've seen no discussion or plans around testing upgrades to F21 from F20. Unless the Products intend to test upgrading from F20, and/or QA intends to somehow test fedup from F20 to F21 in a non-product manner, we're essentially changing the semantics of upgrades. I agree it should still work, but saying it's a continuation of existing practice when it isn't is wrong. josh -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
