On Thu, 2014-07-03 at 10:05 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 9:57 AM, Stephen Gallagher <sgallagh@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > On 07/03/2014 01:42 AM, William wrote: > >> On Wed, 2014-07-02 at 20:40 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote: > >>> On 07/02/2014 06:55 PM, William wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> First of all, I'd like to formally propose that each of the > >>>>> products will have a fedora-release-$PRODUCT (and > >>>>> corresponding generic-release-$PRODUCT) package. This package > >>>>> will meet several needs (with magical hand-waving in this > >>>>> initial email). > >>>> > >>>> How will this work with fedup from 20 to 21? Will there be > >>>> multiple upgrade targets? > >>>> > >>> Why would that be necessary? All packages are in one repository, > >>> so fedora-release-$PRODUCT will be upgraded to the next version > >>> and everything will be fine. > >> > >> My machine doesn't currently have a fedora-release-$PRODUCT > >> package installed. So how will fedup work out what one to put on my > >> system? Will these packages be added to 20, and the user need to > >> preinstall before fedup? > >> > > > > It won't put one on your system. Upgrades from a non-Productized > > Fedora will remain non-Productized. It's not *less* Fedora than before. > > > > The Products are basically a statement that "this minimal set of > > packages and services are available on the system". A non-productized > > Fedora install is essentially just a continuation of the classic > > do-it-yourself approach that Fedora has been up to this point. > > That's misleading. Fedora hasn't been releasing "do-it-yourself" > releases. Our previous install images were composed and tested by QA, > including testing fedup upgrades from the previous release. With > Fedora.next, we don't have an install image that is an equivalent of > <= F20. > > Perhaps I have missed them, but I've seen no discussion or plans > around testing upgrades to F21 from F20. Unless the Products intend > to test upgrading from F20, and/or QA intends to somehow test fedup > from F20 to F21 in a non-product manner, we're essentially changing > the semantics of upgrades. I agree it should still work, but saying > it's a continuation of existing practice when it isn't is wrong. > > josh It's also misleading given how much focus has been given to the three new products that will be released: So why now is there a "non-productised" version? That's not been advertised much. I think that some attention needs to be paid to the F20 -> F21 upgrade path, and it shouldn't be left to the last minute. Do you need to choose a product via fedup at upgrade time? Do you support a non-productised version? -- William <william@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
