On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 04:09:11PM +0100, Robert Mayr wrote: > 2014-01-30 Johannes Lips <johannes.lips@xxxxxxxxx>: > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 2:33 PM, Frank Murphy <frankly3d@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> > >> On Thu, 30 Jan 2014 14:15:56 +0100 > >> Tomasz Torcz <tomek@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> > >> > Personally I always felt that this symbiotic relationship was a big > >> > part of > >> > > what made Fedora interesting. > >> > > >> > Yes, but please don't paint Red Hat bussiness goals as "Fedora > >> > community goals". There is some intersection, but not equality. > >> > >> I would love to see alt Desktops stay, > >> but at the end of the day. > >> The old saying comes to mind: > >> > >> http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/he-who-pays-the-piper-calls-the-tune > >> > >> That's a fact of life in any business relationship. > > > > Well, but it's not only about money and a lot of contributors use their > > spare time to contribute, so I wouldn't stress this money thing too much. > > +1 > > I feel also it is not ok that people, who spend their spare time to > contribute *without* getting money for that, get treated without > respect. Persoanlly I read Christian's post as an insult, but I'm sure > he didn't want to be so rough. [...snip...] Knowing Christian personally, I don't think he intended it that way. But I think some people (I don't know about Christian) are frustrated by the idea that any discussion of change is motivated by trying to disenfranchise people, rather than figure out how Fedora can generate product that increases its relevance and value to the FOSS ecosystem. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct